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Using Curiosity to Cultivate Inclusivity with Dr. Kristen Donnelly

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How can we move the world from fracture to a more cohesive system? Dr. Kristen Donnelly explains the power of curiosity and how people change their world views versus how they change their habits. By using curiosity as the lens through which we see others, we can build inclusive communities.

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Kristen Donnelly (MSW, M.Div, PhD) is a TEDx speaker, international empathy educator, and researcher with two decades of experience in helping people understand the beauty in difference, and the power in inclusivity. She is one of The Good Doctors of Abbey Research, where she and Dr. Erin Hinson seek to foster empathy and creativity to empower inclusive communities, through cultural analysis and training. Kristen is also co-owner and COO of their parent company, as well as an unapologetic nerd for stories of joy, hope, and change. Find out more about Kristen and her work here.


About :

Karen Hager helps people lift the fog of confusion and regain clarity about their life purpose. She connects with Source to provide compassionate, no-nonsense intuitive advice for people in transition. Reading from the energy of the human voice, Karen quickly gets to the root of your question and helps you see the possibilities for transformation.

Passionate about helping others connect with their natural intuitive abilities, Karen leads intuitive development classes and works with selected healers and teachers to empower people to listen to their own inner guidance. She’s the host of the popular weekly radio show Out of the Fog on Empower Radio.

These are times of great transformation, and many people are struggling with fear of change. Karen encourages listeners to shift their perspectives from fear to love so that they may receive the gifts of living through these unusual times.

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